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\"TheBack in 1978, Massimo Vignelli and John Tauranac debated the future of New York\u2019s subway map. That debate\u2014which in many ways never quite ended\u2014is now the subject of a book coming out later this month. Edited by Gary Hustwit, The New York Subway Map Debate<\/em><\/a> includes a full transcript of the debate and subsequent discussion (thanks to the discovery of a lost audio recording), plus contemporary photos and new interviews. Paperback available for $40 via the link.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Back in 1978, Massimo Vignelli and John Tauranac debated the future of New York\u2019s subway map. That debate\u2014which in many ways never quite ended\u2014is now the subject of a book coming out later this month.… More<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"link","meta":{"autoblue_enabled":true,"autoblue_custom_message":"","autoblue_shares":[],"autoblue_post_url":"","_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[94],"tags":[95,194,1486,1392,1219],"class_list":["post-1791889","post","type-post","status-publish","format-link","hentry","category-transit","tag-map-design","tag-new-york-city","tag-subways","tag-tauranac","tag-vignelli","post_format-post-format-link"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack-related-posts":[{"id":1805639,"url":"https:\/\/www.maproomblog.com\/2021\/12\/more-on-the-new-york-subway-map-debate\/","url_meta":{"origin":1791889,"position":0},"title":"More on the New York Subway Map Debate","author":"Jonathan Crowe","date":"9 December 2021","format":"link","excerpt":"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=p8OfC07sI8E This roundtable discussion about The New York Subway Map Debate, a book about the April 1978 Cooper Union debate over the design of the New York subway map (previously) and related subjects, featuring John Tauranac himself (who participated in the 1978 debate), alerted me to the fact that an\u2026","rel":"","context":"In "Transit"","block_context":{"text":"Transit","link":"https:\/\/www.maproomblog.com\/category\/transit\/"},"img":{"alt_text":"","src":"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/img.youtube.com\/vi\/p8OfC07sI8E\/0.jpg?resize=350%2C200","width":350,"height":200},"classes":[]},{"id":1817259,"url":"https:\/\/www.maproomblog.com\/2023\/07\/geographical-on-the-nyc-subway-map-debate\/","url_meta":{"origin":1791889,"position":1},"title":"Geographical on the NYC Subway Map Debate","author":"Jonathan Crowe","date":"13 July 2023","format":"link","excerpt":"Geographical magazine has a short history of the New York City subway map and its controversies. 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